Curse

IronSheik · Nov 25, 2009, 01:20 AM // 01:20

/signed for taking the only way to decently heal for PuGs in UW out of the game so they fail more.
Also for taking ether renewal completely out of use again.

Oh wait. nvm, because prot bond and life attunement get used everywhere else.

Because Ubber said so.

Barrage · Nov 25, 2009, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Since when is using another class's elite for energy to power your build "synergy"?

You're talking about this like it's taboo, OMG WE CANT COMBINE TWO CLASSES, and since you don't know the meaning of synergy here it is:
term used to describe a situation where different entities cooperate advantageously for a final outcome.

tejive · Nov 25, 2009, 05:37 AM // 05:37

Yeah lets nerf all skills so all we can do, is to autoattack and use selfheals

/notsigned

Do you srsly have to nerf anything what works well?

deluxe · Nov 25, 2009, 05:58 AM // 05:58

You're whining about a skill that is "overpowered" in PvE while Shadowform is still around?

Wow.

As long as Shadowform is viable, there is no reason to go nerf any other PvE build.

AtomicMew · Nov 25, 2009, 06:04 AM // 06:04

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Originally Posted by tejive

Yeah lets nerf all skills so all we can do, is to autoattack and use selfheals

/notsigned

Do you srsly have to nerf anything what works well?

The problem is not so much that it works well or is overpowered, the problem is that it makes monks useless.

Cuilan · Nov 25, 2009, 06:13 AM // 06:13

/not-signed because I'm tired of monks pinging that they're out of energy. Elementalists have it hard as it is with damage in hard mode. Let's not take everything away from them.

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Originally Posted by deluxe

As long as Shadowform is viable, there is no reason to go nerf any other PvE build.

Yet Anet seems to find reasons to nerf everything mesmer. I expect 20 moar mesmer nerfs with the next skill update. They'll make Inspiration skills empty your energy bar instead of increase.

rokocoko · Nov 25, 2009, 06:29 AM // 06:29

/notsigned

I don't see how ER breaks the balance of the game. More utility for my ele? That's a good thing, not a downside. Leave it as it is.

AlsPals · Nov 25, 2009, 07:03 AM // 07:03

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Originally Posted by ElnoreVarda

Only works with ele spells

God, I HATE that that comes up. Esp the disabling with use of other skills. Class diversity gets shitted on due to one skill(Mantra of Serpents Quickness...yup.) and its terrible. BUT, I would rather see this than it nerfed...but then it wont be used either way. This should only be reserved for highly degenerate skills unless people get off the ass and change functionality.

FoxBat · Nov 25, 2009, 07:09 AM // 07:09

It's a problem when eles outheal monks and monks outnuke eles, not sure how you can say otherwise. Not anywhere near the level of SF etc. but it may be addressed eventually.

Squalus the Ipno · Nov 25, 2009, 07:22 AM // 07:22

/Not SIGNED
In this forum i see only threads where people ask to nerf sf er and so on....Think to open a thread to nerf GW maybe problem solved

How about the elite skills that are not really elite like for exp STONE SHEATH???? who can explain me why noone open a thread to change some elite skills that really are not??? Who uses that elite skills???

UnChosen · Nov 25, 2009, 07:54 AM // 07:54

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Originally Posted by Squalus the Ipno

/Not SIGNED
In this forum i see only threads where people ask to nerf sf er and so on....Think to open a thread to nerf GW maybe problem solved

How about the elite skills that are not really elite like for exp STONE SHEATH???? who can explain me why noone open a thread to change some elite skills that really are not??? Who uses that elite skills???

Even non-elites spells are crap. Seeing my 15+ energy 3 second cast 20 sec+ cool down spell hit for less than 30 damage puts a palm to my face.

Enon · Nov 25, 2009, 08:16 AM // 08:16

Removing the only usefulness, that's not even used that often, from an Elite Skills is pretty dumb.

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Originally Posted by rokocoko

I don't see how ER breaks the balance of the game. More utility for my ele? That's a good thing, not a downside. Leave it as it is.

Also this.

/Notsigned.

Stupid suggestions should be closed.

Test Me · Nov 25, 2009, 08:47 AM // 08:47

STOP THE INQUISITION.

Stop the nerfs for god sake, what's in it for you if ER is nerfed?

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Originally Posted by ElnoreVarda

An ER nerf should target the above problem, while avoiding nerfing the skill in a way that makes it completely useless. This has to be done without targeting eles using the skill as general energy management or hero eles using ER, since they arent abusing the power of infuse, nor are they maintaining bonds.

1) Please name a couple of other useful builds currently that use ER.

2) Please give a couple of useful builds where ER would function after the nerfs you're suggesting.

Oh yeah... ER would not be useful at all with your changes and would go back to .... no one ever knowing that elite exists. And ER can't even be used in farms like 55 or 600 or permas it's just used by full player teams... so why hit those???

So live and let ER live. And stop the nerf that and nerf that threads, this is getting really pathetic. As soon as someone finds a use for an elite and comes up with a good build there is this vocal crowd starting to scream: "that build really works well... nerf it! kill it! kill it now!"

Oh shut up...

Day Trooper · Nov 25, 2009, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by traversc

The problem is not so much that it works well or is overpowered, the problem is that it makes monks useless.

When I see pugs widespread saying 'LF ER Infuser/Prot Ele - NO MONKS!' then I'll agree with you - but this is definitely NOT the case now.

Overboard comment is overboard.

Wheel of time · Nov 25, 2009, 04:15 PM // 16:15

Assuming you'd nerf ER to dust, why would you take an ele in your team? (Assuming you want a "perfect" setup) ?
Or in other words, what can an ele do atm that can't be done better by another class?
Aoeblind is pretty much the only thing that crosses my mind atm. And if you have an imbagon he does a better job in dmgreduction than a blinder could.
So please, please leave the inly bar with which i actually think i was a decent choice to pick.

Ps : iphone written sry for spelling

Apok Omen · Nov 25, 2009, 04:21 PM // 16:21

Someone please tell me, if ER ele healers are so popular, why there are still HB/UA monks in high demand?

HawkofStorms · Nov 25, 2009, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by Apok Omen

Someone please tell me, if ER ele healers are so popular, why there are still HB/UA monks in high demand?

Because people are idiots/sheep.

athariel · Nov 25, 2009, 05:22 PM // 17:22

nerf imbagon first. I mean, there is something wrong if a class is called "imbagon", that says so much bad about the game. You don't hear people complaining about imbamentalist or imbamancer.

and give eles a buff instead of nerf, i play gw for 3 years and i have never seen ANYONE run ether renewal outside of NPC mobs

reaper with no name · Nov 25, 2009, 05:56 PM // 17:56

To the many saying that nerfing ER would make eles useless:

Maelstrom, OF, and Blinding Surge all say hi, as well as a whole bunch of skills which I'm probably not aware of.

And even if it did makes eles useless, that still wouldn't be a good argument, because the status quo makes monks useless (whether people know it or not). So if we had to have one of the two useless, wouldn't it be better to have the best healer be the one which is actually intended to heal?

To those saying SF needs to be nerfed more:

Yes, it does, and that takes priority. Doesn't mean ER doesn't also need a nerf; just means SF needs to be fixed first.

To those saying it's not a problem because it's not popular:

Popularity has nothing to do with whether something is overpowered or not. Stuff as hideously overpowered as SF and ER need to be nerfed simply because they are so overpowered that it defeats the purpose of using other professions. It is a reason unto itself.

ElnoreVarda · Nov 25, 2009, 06:10 PM // 18:10

Okay, for those that cant think/read; the suggestions I suggested WILL NOT kill ER. If you have a brain, you can still spam prots and/or infuse a gazillion more times than any monk. The problem is that currently its too easy to do. So easy that theres practically no point of bringing a monk for redbar/prot.

Ill say it again; MY SUGGESTED NERFS WILL NOT KILL ER. It will make it weaker, but still viable.

Also; I use ER when ele 600 when theres no reason for OF. Yes, diversity is important for the game. Yes, KILLING ER will make eles junk. No, I dont want to see a buff to ele nukes (tank and spank=not fun, and if you want to, you can do it fine with the skills available). Yes, shadow form needs a nerf more than ER.

Reaper; apart from OF tanking, bringing AP, PvE shouts, Esin, eruption, maelstrom, gole + optional will take care of all support youll ever need from an ele. Also, there are so many better options than that. The ER template is the most powerful eles have atm. It needs a nerf, not a killing blow. In my opinion, the right way of nerfing it is to tone down the power and make it much more tricky to use, to promote skillful play. Atm the biggest problem for an ER is to perform as well as the 2-3 monks it has the power of.

I want ER nerfed because diversity is good, as is skillful play (No, ER does not promote skillful play because any idiot can spam. No, not diversity either since it wins VS monks)